4.06.2009

Where are you O Shambho Maha Deva Deva, Shiva

My love for you doesn't seem enough
My thoughts fail me
My contemplation doesn't appear deep enough
Where are you O Shambho, O Mahadeva

The mysterious ways of your presence
The depth of your silence

The miracles that strike me in the mind
Where are you O Shambho, O Mahadeva

Your beautiful form I bathe my eyes with
Your beautiful songs I melt in
Your grace is all encompassing
Where are you O Shambho, O Mahadeva


The moon echoes your silent presence
In the poetry of the mystical night
I can hear the music in the rolling dice
Where are you O Shambho, O Mahadeva

The brilliance of a million Suns
The glowing rays of the Sun, of Agni, O the three eyed Lord

Where do I, the old blind fool look for you
Where are you O Shambho, O Mahadeva

The Rudram reverberates in my ears
The words awaken my soul
The glowing lamp makes me weep
Where are you O Shambho, O Mahadeva

That Primordial sound, will I ever hear it
That profound depth, will I ever reach it
That emotion of undying love, will I ever feel it
Where are you O Shambho, O Mahadeva

This Maya has made me a prisoner
This life has imprisoned me in this form
This breath is not enough to make me rise
Where are you O Shambho, O Mahadeva

I look for you at the temple
I look for you within my home

I look for you at the peak of the highest mountain

I look for you at the feet of the river Ganges

Where are you O Shambho, O Mahadeva


The Rudram echoes all around me
The milk of life bathes your form
The lamp light burn the oil of ignorance

The fragrance of flowers envelopes you
The pure garment adorns your form
The heavens open and shower flowers in worship
The Nayanars meditate deep at the precincts
You dance in Ananda, to the sound of the damaru
Ma Parvati graciously looks on

You raise your divine foot of light
Place it on my being, my ignorance
You are with me and guiding my through life
And yet...
Where are you O Shambho, O Mahadeva

Shambho Maha deva deva, Shiva
Shambho Maha deva devesa Shambho,

Shambho Mahadeva deva.

Prostrations to He who blesses us with prosperity,
Prostrations to the greatest God,
Prostrations to the abode of peace,
Prostrations to Him, who blesses us with riches,

And Prostrations to him who is the God of Gods.


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36 comments:

Sastha Prakash. said...

Hi Kavitha,

There is a story of god who comes to the earth. He is besieged the residents of the earth and he was harassed for many favours. God ran away and hid himself above a steep mountain. But the people reached him there and god went hiding inside the ocean. Again people reached him there too. Then god hid himself in peoples' heart and now everyone is searching him on the mountains, rivers and oceans. So, god is always inside us. Search your heart and soul you will find god.

Regards...

Kavitha said...

:)

trying to.

JC said...

'I' am reminded of the joke about a violinist who was producing one note by movement of the bow by placing one finger at a certain location in one of the 4 strings (refecting Nirakar the Formless and three-in-one physical god seen as different entities by us uneducated humans!).

Someone asked him why he was producing a jaring note and not playing some raga, like all other musicians...

He replied that all others moved from one note to the other in search of the correct note that had so far proved elusive. However, he had eventually reached that particular note! ('OM'??)

Yosee, I too hear sound within me when I place my right hand over the right ear in a peaceful place. 'I' had read about it in one of the Upnishads loaned to 'me' by a friend...

JC said...

Hi Kavitha, Managed to lay my hand on the computer for some time at least.

As Shri Sastha Prakash also threw some light on the 'sanatan Hindu belief', of Yoga of the (perfect) Formless and (imperfect) forms, a variety of which is seen in 'nature' ranging from zero (the real one) to infinity (His unreal or illusory images)...

Thus it's believed as only a matter of seeing within the 'self' - instead of seeing 'outwards' only - the real 'Shambhu' the one who appeared on His own that is 'swayambhu'...or Shiv the lone immortal expressed thus as opposite of Vish the poison that reflects in our hearts and minds, of all of 'us' the mortals and also in our environment, as it is also seen getting stronger and stronger with passage of time as 'we' approach 'ghor Kaliyuga' the end of 'Dark Age' of lack of faith etc...either to return in Satyuga or wait for another of Brahma's unending days after His long sleep...

JC said...

In many of 'my' comments 'I' had indicated how 'I' attempted to prove to myself how 'I' could realise the meaning of illusion that is 'maya' or 'yogmaya' the appearance of 3D figures that appeared real to our defective apparatuses of vision...

To a certan extent the above was possible to imagine with the help of variety of images in 'magical mirrors' vis-a-vis the similar appearing images on plain mirrors that one gets accustomed to during day-to-day life. Or 'my own' photographs pertaining to 'past' down to the 'remote past' when 'I' was apparently relatively helpless...and couldn't have thought what was in store for 'me'...just as 'I' am unaware of the 'future' even 'today' (due believably to lack of knowledge how to see it in 'my third eye'!)...

'I' have indicated how 'I' have tried using gemstones on photographs of individuals including self, and have observed their effects on 'my present day person' also...'I' am still to reach the final conclusive stage where 'I' could say that 'I' could improve any given individual's behavioral efficiency given her paticulars of birth, viz. time of birth, in IST (the believable real zero, related to 82.5 deg longitude east), and a hard copy of the individual pertaining to any age, and not the recent 'true likeness', and located anywhere in the globe...

But that's not 'my' ultimate goal though, for 'I' believably surrendered in Him so that He/ She/ IT could guide 'me' to Him, as promised by 'Krishna' - and 'I' wait...:)

JC said...

'Gangadhar' the holder of Holy River Gnga, and Chandrashekhar the one who has Moon on His forehead, just these two names themself point towards 'earth' as Shiva of the 'Hindu Mythology', while 'mithya jagat' on the other hand indicates it to be mithya or a lie, an illusory image (projected on the third or mind's eye of all animals believably located on the globe - all illusory images who appear to see it as different!)...like a man-made film believably keeps one in a make believe world as long as the film lasts...

In view of the above, and as Shakespeare also said, 'we' all play the role assigned to each one of 'us', (unware of our purpose vis-a-vis the purpose of the Formless imortal Supreme Being who alone matters)...Thus the 'wise ancients' advised the seeker to remain unmoved and enjoy just as a spectator enjoys Bollywood/ Hollywood films remaining seated in a dark hall or as a couch potato at home viewing TV projections...of course, it isn't easy, but still repeating it to oneself might help...

YOSEE said...

Very poignant, Kavitha.Its the search and yearning of a lifetime.

Sastha Prakash's parable reminded me of an old song : " Irukkum Idathai vittu, illatha idam thedi, engengo alaiginrar, gnanathangamey" ( they search high and low everywhere other than where it is ! ). Its seems so easy to say or read that He is within us,but how difficult to Know that !

Re: the line,"This life has imprisoned me in this form": don't be forlorn, dear. Remember the beautiful thevaram song : " Kunittha puruvamum.....etc. etc. ending: MANITHA PIRAVIYUM VENDUVATHEY IMMANILATHEY. Even life in this world, this janma in this body, is worth it if one can feel immense love for the Lord(of Chidambaram) says Thirunaavukkarasar. Let us be grateful for this life, this world and our senses and use of them to adore Him. Moreover, Manikkavasagar's Sivapuranam says " avan arulaaley avan thaal paninthu....etc." Its His grace that makes one even worship him. So our search for him will come to fruition, not (only) by our efforts, but by his Grace.

Dr.Anil Joshi said...

Kavitha,
Dheere Dheere Re Mana, Dheere Sub Kutch Hoye
Mali Seenche So Ghara, Ritu Aaye Phal Hoye.....Kabir.
Slowly slowly O mind, everything in own pace happens
Gardner may water a hundred buckets, fruit arrives only in its season

JC said...

Hi Yosee, Thanks for the examples!

Maybe Kavitha speaks on behalf of the 'present-day-frustrated-youth' and, therefore, has used the general terms used by 'wise ancient Yogis' to explain to the average person (soul), ie., an important component of the believably 'all-important-soul' - Supreme soul or 'Paramatma' - is imprisoned within the animal form (that is obliged to undergo an unending cycle and attains different forms - like man discards old garments for new).

And the body, in its turn, is imprisoned on earth, which literally acts as a prison where each form is confined for one 'life term' till the soul escapes, maybe to return again for a 'fresh term'!

'Krishna' the lucky (or 'bhagyawan', the root word of 'Bhagwan' or god) eighth son of Devki is also indicated born in a prison (and thus His parents too had to undergo suffering - having to see their own 7 infants die before His birth. So what if 'we' also suffer or are frustrated)!

"Time is the best healer." And, according to Yogis, Yogeshwar Shiva, the only immortal being, is the Controller of time, and thus the related events too...

JC said...

Hi Anilji, One would find many sayings, which might appear contrary to what 'you' have quoted. For example (indicating God as supreme magician also), there is the one, to the effect, "If it is His will, even a handicapped person can climb a high mountain, or a blind may see clearly."

Maybe, the example of Jesus can be cited, and also reportedly many other Yogis who could do that besides walking on water, or disappearing from one location to reappear at another distant location instantaneously - thanks to Time in terms of Yugas! Maybe that's why today one only finds magicians who just use tricks to fool an average person, and also 'confidence tricksters' (due mainly to lack of knowledge that is 'siddhi'!

JC said...

It is generally believed that each nd every seeker has to find his or her path to reach the so-called 'goal', which is common to all humans (which is indicted as eventual realisation of the formless creator as well as His physical forms, as the wise ancient Yogis apparently realised as the only purpose of birth of human being on earth to be)...which however is lost on account of various forces that distract one's attention, as it is reflected in a student's inability to properly concentrate on one's subject under consideration (the variation in capacitiy gets reflected in the percentage marks in tests/ exams)...

There is a saying to the effect, "Childhood gets wasted in games/ Youth in foolish acts/ And old age in repentence," and, therefore, also it was said that one should do today what needs to be done tomorrow...in fact it should be done immediately (just as god also created as well as destroyed everything in zero time!)...And, action is, in fact. performed when the thought itself is received...and thus it is the good or bad intent that really matters, as Buddha also indicated it...

JC said...

The saying, "Vishnu is Shiva/ And Shiva is Vishnu," indicates both as Nirakar or Formless beings...And as the ancient astronomers indicated it, Shiva resides at the centre of our earth, as gravity or energy caled 'Kali', which also happens to be the believable centre of the universe, the enlarged form of 'Krishna' too...thus earth itself is indicated as Shiva in physical form as a model of the infinite universal void...

JC said...

Also, as 'I' had indicated it earlier elsewhere too, Mount Kailash is literally the centre of earth that believably emerged from its belly due to tectonic movements, just as moon also is believed to have similarly evolved once upon a time, only to separate from it as an independent body and become its sattelite due to earth's greater gravitational force...(just as the great pyramids, as models of a high mound, literally 'fire within', virtualy are, say like trees that also are termed as 'life forms'... The Hindu Temples also similarly have a live deity installed ('pran pratisthit') within it in the 'garbha griha', literally its womb, as model of the 'unborn' and 'unending' soul, a component of the supreme soul...

Thus when 'I' face the deity, in fact, it is like meeting of two different components of the same supreme soul...and just as one hot and one cold vessels are placed in close vicinity, the hotter one loses energy while the colder of the two gains it and then could be said to face each other as equals...It is said that if you have faith, it is god himself (for a Hindu)/ otherwise a mere piece of stone (for a 'westerner' by thought)!

JC said...

'I' might as well add that Kailash-Mansarovar are treated as life forms as these together provide life-giving Ganga-Yamuna-Brahmaputra waters, ie., 'amrit' of the mythology as conveyed through the belief of water to have descended on earth from moon - thanks to Bhagirath's valiant efforts...

What we need today once again is a Bhagirath (to keep Ganga flowing)/ sage Agastya (to drink seawater as its level rises) to stop or reverse the process of rapid melting of ice in the northern regions of the earth...Nothing is impossible (if it be His will)!

JC said...

History indicates Nero to have been fiddling while Rome was burning. And a bit similarly Hindu mythology indicates 'Bal Krishna', the flute player, as a mischievous character who, on one hand made milk-maids dance on his tunes, was on the other hand apparently responsible for mass destruction in the battle of Mahabharat in Dwaperyuga, the middle stage of evolution. Although he, himself, is believed to have represented Vishnu the Preserver [perhaps thus working for Shiva the Destroyer also - as his ultimate 'lakshya' or goal, as Krishna's most evolved form (Moon as the Guru or 'Peetamber' the one one who wore golden yellow garments), the 'cream' that was physically possible only at the end of Satyuga, the fourth stage of 'churning' of the 'milky ocean', that is, 'sudershan-chakra-like' our 'Milky Way Galaxy', as the 'essence' or model of the infinite 'dark' universal void]...

JC said...

Just as 'Krishna' is the believable link between our galaxy and the infinite and unending universal void, similarly, in the human form, the essence of planet Mars (indicated housed at the 'mooladhar') is indicated as a link with essence of moon (housed at 'sahasrara' in the head), their relationship being indicated in the popular stories as that of son Ganesha, or 'vighnaharta' the trouble shooter, and mother Parvati...that have 6 numbers other essences - with son Kartikeya as their leader - that separate them, but with overall control lying with Shiva represented by the essence of earth at the 'third eye' level...

Thus Shiva within human form is located at the meeting point of one's nose and forehead...the point the Yogis apparently attempted to activate by concentrating at it, with their believably defective or inefficient physical eyes closed...unconcerned of the exterior world...Yogis who could withdraw themselves from the chaotic external world to the Himlayan caves, perhaps were advantageously placed compared to 'normal house holders', although they had other problems associated with the locations in high altitudes, even today...

JC said...

However, when one finds in the Gita the mention of looking at the tip of the nose advised by 'Krishna' to 'Arjuna', one could become double minded, whether one should look (with eyes closed) the Ajna chakra location or see the tip of the nose prerhaps with open eyes. Maybe the latter is perhaps better suited for improving hearing power, and perhaps in improvement in concentration and thus better comprehension when one was verbally addressed by another person...

Each hemisphere of brain in males apparently does either verbal or visual function only (as reportedly noticed by surgeons in accident cases) while in females each hemisphere does both the functions and by some process of diffusion thoughts get excahanged between the two.

'I' mention the above reportings in order to visualise why 'I' apparently heard the voice of the unseen ('Krishna') with 'my left ear' twice, once in Guwahati (Ma Kali/ Ma Kamakhya's abode) and another time in New Delhi (Indraprastha of the Kuru Kings on the banks of Yamuna, the river that is associated with 'Krishna' the Natkhat Nandlal)...

JC said...

Hi Kavitha, Although 'I' have cited it earlier also, 'I' am reminded of 'my' visit to Siddhi Vinayak Temple in Mumbai with a relatively younger relative couple that was used to visiting at regular intervals the temple.

'I' lagged behind and despite the usual expected crowd 'I' managed to have the 'darshan' or sight of the idol...At some stage the gentleman realised 'I' too was with them and, therefore, asked me if 'I' had the darshan. Without apparently any premeditated thought 'I' told him what was important was His seeing 'me' in that crowd, and not the other way round:) It was like my seeing with the crowd some VIP, say the PM, and expecting him to help 'me' - unless 'I' had some 'connection'!

Also, at home when 'my wife'
commented on 'my' the then little paunch, (and it so happened that 'we' were near the place for worship at home), 'I' pointed towards the idol of 'Lambodar', the big bellied
Ganesha and to her embarassment jokingly told her that she tinkled the bell for Him while on the other hand she made fun of the same lambodar in 'me':)

JC said...

Hi Kavitha, The above were only cited as examples of ritual worship that has been handed over from one generation to another and followed 'blindly', (in the words of 'foreigners'), while the background of these exercises are lost in the sands of time, that apparently had its 'zero' or start some 4.6 billion years ago (the end of Satyuga, the time of achieving perfection by immortal Shiva)! And, man has a limited life span, considered like a 'flash in the pan'...

Even in the 'present', 'I' generally forget what 'I' ate for lunch yesterday! Ans, also 'I' only remember a film 'I' saw years ago as 'good'/ 'excellent', or 'bad etc only....

There is a joke about a 'Hindu' asked to tell the names of the Pandava brothers. He remembered only Yudhister, Arjuna, and Bhima, for they apparently have bigger roles to play. Thus he said the first three - (3, the magical figure') - names and added for the other two 'etc. etc.' (for Nakul and Sahdeva!)...also there is a saying, to the effect, 'Heard the complete story of Ramayana and in the end asked whose wife Sita was: Rama's or Ravana's?'

JC said...

As Shri Sastha Prakash and Rosee also said about disappearance of God to stay nowhere, or everywhere perhaps, even in atoms, as indicated by 'wiser ancient Hindus'...

In view of the growing frustration, and with the above in mind, and also inaccessibility of computer, 'I' had SMSed the following comment to my newspaper-

"All weak electrons to 'all powerful' Protons: We love you. But hate you for making us go around eternally!"

JC said...

Sorry Yosee! 'I' hope you don't mind. It inadvertantly was perhaps because 'I' had come across recently an article referring Shakespeare, in Romeo & Juliet, indicating no particular sanctity of a given name and related characteristic property reflected by a particular indivdual - specifically with reference to the flower called Rose and its sweet fragrance...and raising doubts if it really was so, for change of name sometimes apparenly is seen to help improve the (material) condition of the concerned!

Perhaps somewhat similarly, the 'ancient wise Hindus', the 'Siddhas' - reaching a conclusion about all physical forms as 'images' of the one and only Supreme Soul - recommended worship of any form that pleased one for that also could lead one to the Formless Creator...thus also indicating that as one of the goals of 'life', in human form, on planet earth...

JC said...

'Scientists' tell us that when the Hydrogen gas in the nucleus of a given star, in 'Red stage', has almost all turned into inert Helium gas that continues to thicken its outer shell, it thereafter turns into another Heavenly Body depending on its original mass with respect to our Sun as the datum. If the mass is more than 5 times, a massive star that had existed for billions of years transforms into a 'Black Hole' ('Krishna' of Hindu mythology?) to exist as a new physical form, whose mass, of course, could be near zero, but now having much higher gravity (Krishna therefore called 'light of thousand suns'?) and perhaps greater life span than the original star...Thus there is a sort of continuity in case of Hesvenly Bodies, although having a 'cooling period' between the exlosion of the star and consequent turning of its material contents into 'ashes' that is debris till completion of the process related with implosion of the said material and its being converted into energy till almost the entire material is consumed...

Perhaps the above observation formed the basis of 'Hindu mythology' also, because man is indicated as model of the universe, reduced to a much smaller scale as reflected b the short life-span!

Shiva thus appears not as a pure Destroyer, and maybe called a transformer ('step-down', or 'step-up!)...

JC said...

Victor Hugo said, (maybe not the exact words), "All of us are lying in gutters/ But some of are looking at the stars." Maybe literally, 'astrnomers' are doing the same. And the ancient brahmins of Kashi are remembered by the 'western astronomers' with wonder at the near correct positions of stars in alamanacs brahmins followed in India since ages...and how they could do it without electronic computers!

In the Gita also, man is mentioned as an inverted tree that is having its roots in the sky...and perhaps thus enjoying fruits on earth from which we are, in fact, suspended head skyward thanks to its gravity - somewhat like wet garments (70% water in human body) clipped to the clothes-line and left to dry up in the sun!

And, Krishna is believed as 'natkhat' or mischievous! Like the 'betal' - in the legendary king Vikramaditya's 25 stories, Betal Pachchisi - who at the end returns to the tree, 'I' wonder what could be the purpose of Formless Shiva the Bhootnath, the 'ruler of the past', and also translated as the 'Ghost of the ghosts'...

JC said...

When 'I' write comments, without any let or hinderance, 'I' feel like 'I' am a fountain of words that goes up and falls down again and again - back to the earth (like birds in a ship return back to it)...and 'I' had read somewhere, "Prayers go up/ And blessings come down.," which could be imagined symbolically also as evaporated water from the seas going skywards to return to earth (or immortal Shiva) as life-giving rainwater(!)

And also, our French teacher used the expression 'romain fleuve' or a (perennial) river of words...

Maybe Kavitha, one could see earth itself as that you seek. But, apparently it is mute and speaks through the variety of life forms that inhabit it, just as human body is inhabited by micro-organism! But, language acts as a barrier, although Yogis or 'elevated souls' are believed to comprehend what the birds, such as parrots and mynas discussed among themselves! And, 'I' unfortunately cannot even understand almost all human languages! And whatever language(s) 'I' use have a limited vocabulary and am not understood by the youth:) Or, maybe 'I' scare them:)

JC said...

'My wife' also once told me why 'I' talked about God when none of our visitors were interested in those. 'I' told her that 'I' had certain 'burning' issues on top of 'my head' and it was natural that 'I' express the thoughts, mabe aloud, not for any individual's benefit, but for the benefit of the one who resides within 'me'! Because when one speaks, others might not pay attention but he/ she definitely would hear that oneself! And, maybe immediately or later one might find the answer from within! In fact, it is believably now adopted as a practice. That is, if one sleeps after deeply concentrating on some problem, it is seen in many instances that one receives the soution in one's own head after one wakes up!

JC said...

'I' have tried to present whatever thoughts arose in 'my head' as a 'seeker' of the believable 'Truth', mainly by attempting to seek the significance of events that had occurred during my childhood, for at that stage one's observation power is sharp, but not the analytical power. A child naturally is curious and human brain being part of a wonderfully designed system apparently is capable of receiving the entire information that believably is recorded in the so-called chakras, literally wheels...and it is believed that 50% of one's IQ gets developped within 4 years of birth...

JC said...

The Hindu mythological stories also convey the same through Bal Krshna or child Krishna, who right from His infancy is indicated - through interesting stories - to have killed many 'demons' sent by Kansa his maternal uncle who was responsible for confinement of Krishna's parents in a prison in Mathura on the banks of River Yamuna. And still his father Vasudeva managed to escape with Krishna as soon as he was born, cross the river in spate and exchange Krishna with King Nand's daughter born the same time as Krishna and return to prison with her! And that particular girl when killed tells Kansa about Krishna's birth...Perhaps too many coincidences and 'miracles' and thus might convey some hidden meanings, which Dr Anilji could perhaps elaborate further with the background knowledge about micro-organism and immune system...for Krishna also means dark or black the mysterious, and Krishna clearly says that He appears to reside within sll physical forms, although the truth was tht the entire creatin was within Him!

And, ancient 'Hindus' dealt with souls and the related knowledge and also expertise in controlling those that were 'inferior' (the 'black magic' of Bengal/ Assam, say)...

'I' came across some such characters 'coincidentally' when 'I' happened to pass some years in the northest...and have earlier also narrated the related mysterious appearing incidents...

JC said...

Hi Kavitha, Those who are interested in 'present day' status of working of human brain and mind vis-a-vis computers might like to see the blog at http://informationstoryinforman-infoman.blogspot.com/

Kavitha said...

hi Joshi Uncle,

Have been very busy and am yet to go through your comments. Will do it over the weekend...

Have been keeping late hours...

JC said...

Hi Kavitha, Take your own time. No problem...'I' told you that these are 'my' loud thoughts. If someone poses some questions, 'I' try to answer those. Otherwise 'I' try to link comments for those who might be interested but are shy to ask questions...
All the best to all!

JC said...

It was in the year near about 'Saraswati Puja' that when 'my' attention had already been invited by Ma Kmakhya to seek Her and thus 'I' was seized of the question who am I?

'I' was surprised to see in the newspaper what Sir Fred Hoyle (famous astronomer in Cambridge University) had stated, thus accepting human being also as result of design (and Krishna says He has created only two types of men)...

'I'give below the comment recorded in the Guest Column: Computers vs. Brains of Olivia Judson's blog recently... for the interested.

"238. April 8, 2009 8:10 am.

It was in the year 1982 that Sir Fred Hoyle stated that looking at the complicated chemical structure of life on earth, it had to be the result of a design by some intelligent being…etc. And in reply to my query what objection he had in believing that intelligent being to be the Divine Person, I got a reply from his secretary that due to preoccupation he was unable to respond personally…
Obviously overall human form itself remains a wonderful design beyond human comprehension with the limited, or/ rather negligible human intelligence at present…The article presents excellent background knowledge as it stands today. However, it is apparent that lot more remains to be done to reach that intelligent being…
Good luck!
— JC Joshi"

JC said...

Kavitha, When you do find time, you would notice that my comment is 238th out of 240 so far accepted after due moderation by the authors (after not accepting essence of 'my' thoughts 'I' freely enter in your blog, although maybe without any reaction thereof:) And Newton stated reaction as a natural law of every action performed (his third) - but perhaps failed to take into consideration 'Time' the 'Mahakal' (Nirakar personified) as 'we' do in 'India'!).

Perhaps thus one can appreciate better Robert Browning's, another westerner's, line, "Man creates paper walls of day-to-day existence around himself/ And he is afraid to break these..."

Rwitoja said...

Dear Joshi Uncle,
I read all your comments on this blog and enjoy doing so.You have a thinking, enquiring mind,the mind of a true seeker, and the connections you make between worldly phenomena and religious beliefs/mythologies are really interesting.I can understand the situation when you talk about God with your visitors(who probably are not interested).This is the predicament with many sincere seekers who are no longer obsessed with mundane issues and whose minds have been attracted towards higher and better things.I can relate to the 'loud thinking' part too.Sometimes,we speak or write not to communicate or explain things to others but to clarify concepts and perspectives in our own mind. Please keep sharing your thoughts with us.
A question- are 'panch bhoot' and 'panch bishay'same or different things?

@Dr.Anil- Thanks for the Kabir doha.It is so beautiful.He could really put 'sagar' in a 'gagar'.

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JC said...

Hi Rwitoja, Good to hear from you. Thanks!

'Panch bhootas' or 'Panch tatvas', or 'panch parameshwar', etc. generally refer to Bhootnath Shiva, represented by earth, and His companions who all believably are responsible for all physical forms in the universe...

As per 'my' interpretation, in the 'panchakshari mantra', Na-mah Shi-va-ya, 'na' stands for 'Nabha' that is 'sky'; 'mah' stands for 'mahi' that is 'earth', which includes holy waters of Ganga, (Shiva being also expressed as 'Gangadhar'); 'shi' stands for 'shikhi' that is 'fire' or 'energy'; 'va' stands for 'vayu' that is 'air'; 'ya' stands for relatively more polluted waters of River Yamuna that loses its independent existence to eventually merge with Ganga at Prayag the confluence point near Allahabad, which is close to Varanasi that was Kashi, adi Shiva's believable abode that lies near 82.5 degree longitude east, as also do Amarkantak as well as Mt. Kailash - all associated with Shiva at different stages. Ganga being in the middle of the Vindhyas and Himalayas...thus flowing in the 'middle path'...till it too loses its independence by evacuating itself into the Bay of Bengal, taking along with it Brahmaputra waters also, which, like Saraswati, that became underground at the Sangam, is also associated with Brahma and joins Ganga in Bangladesh as Padma, meaning lotus (flower) the seat of Brahma who evolved from the navel of Vishnu!...

'Panch vishaya' (bishaya in Bengali) - obviously evolved from 'vish' or poison - refer to the 'five doors to hell' and apply to human behaviour or faults created due to one-sided development only leading to excessive attachments related with day-to-day mundane activities: 'Kama' that is desire for material (excess thereof); 'krodh' or anger; 'mad' or intoxication; 'lobh' or greed; and 'ahankar' or pride...

JC said...

Here, 'I' might also add again that as per Hindu Mythology, Shiva is indicated as having a 'third eye' (also called 'Trinetradhari'), which, when disturbed, He opened and burnt the god of desire 'Kamdeva' even, besides burning Bhasmasur the 'demon' who wanted to burn Shiva after receiving that boon from Himself (just as humans today receive all materials from earth itself but are hell bent to destroy earth itself!)...Of course in this task it was reportedly possible thanks to assistance coming from Vishnu, literally 'poisonous atom' but in attractive or 'Mohini' form (referring to Indu/ Chandrama that is Moon the Mother of mothers, of 'Hindus')!

From the above, based on 'present day' knowledge also, one can realise that the 'third eye' refers to the ozone layer in erth's atmosphere. For even today, 'scientists' have observed and reported widely presence of 'holes in the ozone layer' over Antarctica and, therefore all out efforts are on to find ways to 'make Shiva not to open fully His third eye' (not realising it as such though, although a 'Hindu by thought can make 2+2= 4, and not 22!)...